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Ret. Gen. Wesley Clark (D).

Big names, big money and organization getting geared up to get behind the man who has the right stuff to dethrone King George....and Rove & Co. know it! Expect the Repubs to sling mud early and often.

In one national poll he's already polling at 9% and he hasn't even declared. Tradesports has 'field' as the second favorite behind Dean and Intertops has Clark and Kerry both 6-1.

Clark has the type of bio and charisma to get both liberal dems and so-called southern/Reagan dems that Gore could not. He will be strong in the Midwest and South.

I am absolutely convinced he will be sworn in January of 2005.

He is expected to declare either Wed or Thurs in Arkansas and will make a major policy speech Friday in Iowa. He will dominate the Sept 25th debate in NYC.

Party insiders and dems who simply want to dethrone Bush (most) simply aren't comfortable with Dean. As impressive as his web campaign has been he has clear weaknesses. A candidate simply must be credible on national security at this time. Kerry, for whatever reason, simply doesn't come across as likeable and can't parlay his military experience into national security credentials. He just doesn't excite people. Lieberman isn't liked by liberals or conservatives.

Clark can have broad appeal, he's an extremely intelligent guy. a fantastic debater. The key will be getting the organization up and running and not tripping up early and catching momentum.

As far as I'm concerned, he's the odds on favorite the day he declares.

Does anyone really disagree?

Bushies are afraid, very afraid.
 

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Word has it that Dean has been pursuing Gen. Clark to run as his VP. Do you think Clark would accept?
 

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DO NOT be surprised if any serious threat to Bush in 2004 gets assasinated. This family is and has always been among the most corrupt in America. Just as Dad was head of CIA when JFK was killed and just as JFK jr was going to announce his desire to run as independant against bush in 2000. JFK Jr would have won by a landslide, but we seen what happened.
 

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Well, General Pete, I thought I had seen it all. I was wrong. Maybe now, I have seen it all.

The sad part is, I get the impression you are an almost 35-year old man who actually believes this crap.

Please post a copy of this thread in the RR, I know the boys would get a chuckle with your conspiracy theory.

ROMFFLMMFAO!! Democrat cannot be elected because the President of The United States would put a contract on her.

Good luck with your games, General Pete. BTW, the Democrats are <due>.


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I'm not so sure it'd be a good idea to put military in the Oval Office in times like these.
I think most Americans have had enough of all the war/tough talk.
 

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lander, if he should lose the nomination to Dean, maybe. But that's definitely not his plan. If he run (and he will), he's in it to win it.

General, even I don't think that. And I'm quite sure Clark would not be scared.

nanuk, I'll let Clark spell that out when he announces. He is all about the issues. I think most will be impressed.

radio, just because he is "military" doesn't mean he is necessarily all about war/tough talk. He was against the war in Iraq from the start. Clark is more about diplomacy than tough talk. I think he's the anti-Bush.
 

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It will be hard for the Republicans to attack a 4 star General.
 

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I like Dean, but I don't see him putting up much of a fight ... all Bushie will do is play the 9/11 and/or terror cards and Dean is toast ...

a military Dem (Kerry or Clark, even though I know little about Gen Clark) seem to be the most sensible way for the Dems to go ...

we shall see
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Check out this article: www.newyorkmetro.com/news/politics/national/2004race/n_9231/

The stars really are aligned for Clark. Perfect resume at the perfect time for an electable candidate.

Gallup had him polling last week at 10% nationally with Gephardt leading at 16% and 5 bunched in between 10-16%. Very competitive and he hasn't even declared yet and many people haven't seen him speak. He will be THE story of the next debate and he will impress.

I'm already looking forward to a Clark/Bush debate. I predict that not only will Clark end up beating Bush but it will be a landslide
 

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Resentment toward the miliary...how so? Dems generally do not resent the miliatry, but many do resent Bush's (mis)use and abuse of it.
 

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NATO general ordered military assault on Russian troops at end of Yugoslav war
By Jerry White
4 August 1999

NATO Supreme Commander General Wesley Clark reportedly ordered British and French forces to launch a military assault last June to prevent Russian troops from taking control of the Pristina airport following the end of NATO's bombardment of Yugoslavia. But the US general's orders were rejected by the British commander of the NATO forces on the ground in Kosovo (KFOR), who later told Clark he did not want to risk launching a world war by confronting the Russians.

The dispute was revealed in Newsweek magazine Monday less than a week after Clark was informed that he would be relieved of duty next spring, a move largely attributed to his repeated clashes with the military and civilian leaders in Washington and Europe over the conduct of the 11-week air war.

The Newsweek article says, "At the end of the war, Clark was so anxious to stop the Russians from stealing a march to Pristina airport that he ordered an airborne assault to take the field from them. But Gen. Michael Jackson, the British commander who heads the Kosovo peacekeeping forces, wouldn't carry out Clark's orders. Subsequently, a frustrated Clark asked Adm. James Ellis Jr., the American officer in charge of NATO's Southern Command, to order helicopters to land on the runways so big Russian Ilyushin transports couldn't use them. Ellis balked, saying Jackson wouldn't like it. 'I'm not going to start World War III for you,' Jackson later told Clark. Both Jackson and Clark appealed to their political leadership back home for support. Jackson got all the help he needed; Clark didn't. Effectively, his orders as Supreme Commander were overruled."

According to the British news agency, ITN, US helicopters and British and French troops had already been assembled in Macedonia for the assault and would have been deployed had it not been for Jackson's refusal to carry out Clark's orders.

A military source told the Washington Times that after the Russians reached the airport General Clark again ordered the KFOR commander to send tanks and armored vehicle units to the airport to prevent further Russian deployments. The source said General Jackson declined to use British armored units after political leaders in London balked at moving tanks so close to Russian armored personnel carriers.

Some 12 days later, on June 24, Clark arrived in Kosovo from his Belgian headquarters ostensibly to review the deployment of KFOR forces. According to the British Sunday Times Clark complained to Jackson that his orders were not being followed. The American general also complained that Jackson had gone through political channels. It was at this meeting that Jackson made the remark about the Third World War.

On June 11-12 some 200 Russian troops stationed in Bosnia rushed into Kosovo immediately after Serbian forces withdrew at the end of the bombing campaign. They arrived to cheering Serbian crowds hours before NATO troops entered the province. The Russian forces established a stronghold on the northern side of the Slatina airfield, defying NATO demands that they should leave the area.

Washington was deeply concerned over the preemptive move and the Russians' demand that they have their own "peacekeeping" sector in northern Kosovo and that their forces not be subordinated to NATO command. The Clinton administration sought to downplay the significance of the event, preferring to use "diplomatic channels," including threats to cut off IMF loans and offers of bribes to Russian civilian and military officials. At the same time the US persuaded Hungary and Romania to deny Russia overflight through their airspace, thereby preventing the landing of transport planes to reinforce their troops at Pristina airport. By early July the Russians agreed to integrate their forces into NATO's operations.

At the time Clark was ordering a military assault on the Russian troops, a senior Clinton administration aide told the New York Times June 12, "I don't think our military people are worked up about this. They don't like the idea they were lied to by the Russians. But on the other hand, there's a lot going on in the Russian Government, so who the hell knows what they're up to."

Clark also publicly said there was no cause for worry about an armed confrontation between Russian and NATO forces, but insisted that Jackson "had the authority" to remove the Russian forces. As a recent article in The New Yorker magazine pointed out, "Clark was pretending publicly that it didn't matter much, when in reality he was seething."

It is not entirely clear whether Clark had the support of any Washington officials, but there are certainly suspicions he did, particularly on the part of the Europeans. Jonathan Eyal, the director of studies at the Royal United Services Institute in London, said, "It is convenient to put the blame on Clark, but I doubt very much he would have taken the risk without American support." The dispute over a potential military confrontation with the Russians, he said, was the tensest and least-told episode between the US and Europe in general, and "would have caused the biggest diplomatic crisis since the end of the Cold War."

Within the US foreign policy establishment there were political figures calling for such a confrontation, including former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski who wrote a June 14 column in the Wall Street Journal entitled "NATO Must Stop Russia's Power Play."

In the end, however, Clark was apparently reined in by his superiors in the Pentagon and the White House, who seemed to have heeded the warnings of the British that a confrontation with the Russians, still armed with nuclear weapons, was not advisable.

Throughout the war Clark had repeatedly clashed with military and civilian authorities. He pushed for the most aggressive military action, regardless of the number of civilian and NATO causalities or the political consequences they produced, particularly in Europe, where governments in Greece, Italy and Germany might have been toppled if anti-war sentiment grew.

Well before the NATO bombing began Clark came into a conflict with US Defense Secretary William Cohen and others, demanding the US use the alleged Serb massacre of ethnic Albanians near the town of Racak last January as the pretext to launch immediate air strikes. US officials preferred instead to first present Milosevic with an ultimatum (the Rambouillet agreement) so that it would appear every diplomatic effort had been exhausted before NATO warplanes began bombing.

On March 24, when the air campaign began, NATO political leaders wanted to limit targets, believing that a first wave of bombing would force Milosevic to capitulate. Clark and his air commanders, on the other hand, wanted to "go downtown" on the first night, hitting power, telephone, and command-and-control sites in Belgrade and other major cities, as well as Milosevic's private residences.

Early in the conflict, Clark ordered up a task force of Apache helicopter gunships, after going to the White House over the protests of the US Army chief of staff, General Dennis Reimer. This was part of Clark's push for the Pentagon to allow him to plan a ground invasion of Kosovo and involve the US Army—his own branch of the service—in addition to the Air Force and Navy.

In late May Clark pressed for and received permission to strike the transformer yards of the Yugoslav power grid, taking out power for hospitals, water-pumping stations and lighting. In an article in the August 2 edition of The New Yorker magazine, Michael Ignatieff quotes Clark acknowledging his frustration up until that point over "the only air campaign in history in which lovers strolled down riverbanks in the gathering twilight and ate at outdoor cafes to watch the fireworks."

While the general's brutality served US interests well during the war, his reputation of being a loose cannon apparently brought his military career to an end. Clark, who was selected to command NATO in 1997 after heading US forces in Latin America, and serving as the senior military member on Richard Holbrooke's 1995 Dayton peace accords mission, received a midnight call from the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff telling him he was being removed from command.

Clark was due to serve his three-year term as the commander of US forces in Europe and the top general at NATO until next July, but he will now leave in April. Seven of ten of his predecessors served more than three years in that post. While the Pentagon has presented Clark's replacement as a routine job rotation, Clark has made it clear in his public statements since the change was leaked that the move came as a surprise and an affront.

At a Washington briefing Monday US State Department spokesman James P. Rubin avoided questions about last June's clash between Clark and Jackson, saying it "was really up to historians to talk about what did or didn't happen during that period. It's just not relevant anymore."

In fact the events in mid-June demonstrate how the American policy of recklessness and militarism led to the danger of a far greater conflagration, including one with nuclear weapons. Thus far, one might say the war ended successfully for the Clinton administration, albeit bringing humanitarian disaster, continued ethnic violence and economic deprivation to the people of the region. Thus far, at least, neither a full-scale Balkan War nor a military confrontation between NATO and the Russians has erupted. But this incident reveals how close such a confrontation was, and is a warning that the next war might not end so neatly.
 

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As sure as shit stinks, Bush will be the US Commander and Chief again. Not voted in. Not elected in. Just in. It's guaranteed.
vinividivinci - The longer you look at your "government" through those rose colored glasses, the more the world will despise the US. Why don't you, as a proud American, stand back and take a look at how the world sees your country? What's happened? Don't say 9/11. The entire world was with the US after 9/11. So why aren't we now? Why is it that the rest of the world sees what the US (government) is trying to do, yet you don't? Because your afraid. Your government is making you and millions upon millions of your countrymen AFRAID to voice your own opinion, lest you be un-American. Is that what the US is all about? Is that Freedom? Afraid of your own government? Is this what your forefathers fought for?
 

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"Your government is making you and millions upon millions of your countrymen AFRAID to voice your own opinion, lest you be un-American. Is that what the US is all about? Is that Freedom? Afraid of your own government? Is this what your forefathers fought for?"

Thats pretty funny. Most of the Dems cant seem to shut up with their ranting and doomsday scenarios, and you actually think their afraid to speak up. Go tell Hillary shes not supposed to be speaking.
 

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If it wasn't for the despised United States it would be a pickem whether you guys were at this very moment speaking German or Russian.

I don't understand the hatred so many of your countrymen have for The USA. Who do you like? France? Germany? Italy? Nobody?


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It's all but official now. CNN is reporting that Clark will enter the race and a formal announcement will be made tomorrow in Little Rock launching his campaign. A cadre of former Clinton and Gore people will run his campaign. Looks like his spokesman will be Mark Fabiani, who was Gore's spokesman in 2000. Gore strategist Ron Klain is also on board as well as Clinton fundraiser Skip Rutherford and Gore fundraiser Peter Knight. Fmr Clinton aide Bruce Lindsey is also a supporter. Needless to say, Clark has some heavy hitters lining up behind him and I don't believe these guys would be on board for a campaign that had no chance. Clark is immediately a top-tier candidate. My opinion right now is that it's Dean vs. Clark straight up. I just don't see Kerry gaining the momentum that he's failed to already achieve.

Expect to see Republicans try to pump up Dean and bash Clark. Republicans are a lot of things, but they're not politically stupid. They can see the writing on the wall and Clark scares the heck out of em.
 

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Just b/c he was a military man, does not mean he knows jack squat about taxes or any other important social issues. If you saw him on Russert a few weeks ago talking about taxes, this man didn't have a clue.
 

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Hoosier, no not "just because". But he does know a lot about all the issues. I did see him on Russert, it will in July, and he was brilliant. I suspect your opinion is more based on your disagreeing with his positions than with anything else. He was rightly against the Bush tax cut because it was inefficient, unfair and fiscally unsound. Clark did in fact teach economics at West Point and is a licensed investment broker and served on the board at an investment firm, Stephens & Co.

To sum it up, Clark is a brilliant man. I've had enough of the airhead in the White Hous experience, I'll go with the egghead.
 

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